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PostSubject: Donatello's weapon   Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:28 pm

Hello!

We all know that all four turtles have got their weapons - Leonardo's got katana, Raphael - sais and Michelangelo - nunchakus. But, Donatello has got bo-staff. I was thinking about him weapon. Would it be so useful in the real life as it's in the series? I know that Donatello could defend himself for a bit, but after Foot got swords, do you really think that he could avoid all the attacks?

Also, I think the bo he's got is too big. What I mean, can be seen in this picture:

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[b]Sorry, but I can't show the picture. It's copyrighted by MirageStupdios


Donatello couldn't spin it so easy if it really was this big...

I know that this is just a cartoon and nothing is realistic, but I still want to hear what do you tihnk about this?

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:15 pm

Raph95 wrote:
Hello!

We all know that all four turtles have got their weapons - Leonardo's got katana, Raphael - sais and Michelangelo - nunchakus. But, Donatello has got bo-staff. I was thinking about him weapon. Would it be so useful in the real life as it's in the series? I know that Donatello could defend himself for a bit, but after Foot got swords, do you really think that he could avoid all the attacks?


The foot has got swords from the beagining.
It's a weapon so it's useful. People do train whith those. What would be the point in training with something that is only a waist of time?
The point is just that he uses it wrong in the series.

Raph95 wrote:
Also, I think the bo he's got is too big. What I mean, can be seen in this picture:

Click here[b]
[b]Sorry, but I can't show the picture. It's copyrighted by MirageStupdios


It's not too big. A bo-staf is abouth 182 cm long the guys are all abouth 150-170 cm tall.

* Height * Leonardo Donatello Raphael Michelangelo
Newtoon 5' 2"(157.5cm) 5' 2"(157.5cm) 5' 2"(157.5cm) 5' 2"(157.5cm)
Fast Forward Toy 5' 4"(162.6cm) 5' 4"(162.6cm) 5' 5"(165cm) 5' 3"(160cm)
Classic Toy 5' 1"(155cm) 4' (122cm) 5' 1"(155cm) 5' (152.4cm)
Classic Toy(日本語) 155cm 122cm 155cm 153cm
Archie Comics 5' 8"(172.7cm) 5' 8"(172.7cm) 5' 8"(172.7cm) 5' 8"(172.7cm)
Movie1(日本語パンフレット) 145cm 153cm 142cm 145cm
SFC/Mutant Warriors 5' 8"(172.72cm) 5' 8"(172.72cm) 5' 8"(172.72cm) 5' 8"(172.72cm)
Arcade Game/TMNT 1,2 5' 1"(155cm) 4' 9"(144.8cm) 5' 1"(155cm) 5' (152.4cm)
Mirage/RPG Book 4' 9"(145cm) 5' (153cm) 4' 6"(142cm) 4' 8"(145cm)
(tablet from - http://freakfreak.net/top.html)

p.s. - your link doesn't work

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Donatello couldn't spin it so easy if it really was this big...


No. But neither can the others with thaire weapons.
Did you see what Leo, Micky and Raph do with thair weapons?

Raph95 wrote:
I know that this is just a cartoon and nothing is realistic, but I still want to hear what do you tihnk about this?


There are many things "off" in this cartoon.
- Leos swords aren't really katanas but ninjaken.
- thay arent 100% ninjas. Ninjas DIDN'T follow bushido. Bushido is a SAMURAIS code of honor, and ninjas woren't considered wary honerable since thay are/were assassins(stabing someone in the back is not considered honorable).
- thay are marshal artists that don't know how to fight. Naither did the developers so....(exsept for the 2007 movie - the fight seens were codeveloped with Hong-Kong artists)
- did you notice that thair color and positions in a sceane thend to change randomly?
- .....

Still LOVE the whole series anyway. ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Thu May 01, 2008 8:31 pm

Hey, that's nice info to see! Thanks a lot!

Wow, you are really good in Japanese things, I see... Can you teach us a bit of Japanese, please ^_^ I'm trying to do that, but it;s still not that easy... I was searching on Google and I've printed something, but I really don't think that would be enough. Damned Hiagana and Katakana <_<' Romaji is the best, I think...

The only easy thing are numbers and months of a year (January: 1Month, February: 2Month...)

Oh, and by the way, all the members:
Take a look at Suifox's post above - that's the length of the post how do I imagine most of the posts <_<'

Greets~~!!

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Is it true that in Japanese it's common to put two "!", not one or three, as in English? And also, what is the meaning of ~~ before some signs?

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Thu May 01, 2008 11:51 pm

Raph95 wrote:

[Edit]
Is it true that in Japanese it's common to put two "!", not one or three, as in English? And also, what is the meaning of ~~ before some signs?

Thanks


"!", "?" and similar signs are all westarn and are not used in tradicional/usual japanese writing.
On the net you might come across "!".
"?" you wont see since in japanese to ask a question you just add "ka" at the end of a sentence. (e.g. "Kore wa forum desu ka." = "Is this a forum?"/"This is a forum?")

But really "!" just indicates that the writer is trying to get his poitn across. The more "!" the more "forcefull" the writer is trying to be. Where do you get the idea that we use only one or three? I've come across sentences with more than 10.

And it's hiragana and katakana. As one you can call them "kana".
Don't forget those troublesome kanji. ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Fri May 02, 2008 8:55 am

Hmm... Ok, one more question. かなしみ を やさしさ に means "Turn your sadness into kindness" or "Turning your sadness into kindness"?

Whatever it menas, than, かなしみ を やさしさ に か is "Are you turning your sadness into kindness?", right?

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Something more... It's 一, 二, 三, 四, 五, 六, 七, 八, 九, 十, right? Than, when you want to say 11, you actually say Ten-One, right? Well, than, for example 924 is Nine-Hundred-Two-Ten-Four (that'd be something like 九百二十四)?

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Fri May 02, 2008 11:56 am

Litteraly translated "かなしみ を やさしさ に" means "sadnes to happynes".

The lyrics go:

そうさ 悲しみをやさしさに

自分らしさを力に

迷いながらでもいい 歩き出して

もう一回 もう一回



sousa kanashimi o yasashisa ni
jibun rashisa o chikara ni
mayoinagarademo ii arukidashite
mou ikkai mou ikkai
turning sadness into kindeness
your uniqueness into strenght
it's okay to get lost so begin walking
once again, once again


"sousa kanashimi o yasashisa ni" = "turning sadness into kindeness"

It's a song. So while usable that isn't exsactly how you would talk/write a sentance.
Artist freedom and all that.

But, yeah.
"sousa kanashimi o yasashisa ni ka" = "turning sadness into kindeness?"/"Are you turning your sadness into kindness?"

That's the principle.

And your right about the numbers.
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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Fri May 02, 2008 12:25 pm

Yeah, I know it's a song, one of my favorites. OK, now I'll post one song... I found two translations, but I have no idea what is correct, so you translate it for me, please! I dunno do you like better Katakana or Romaji, but however, in my opinion, Romaji is much better Wink

Romaji
No Boy, No Cry, ore zenshin Go
Shounen yo, kiitekure
Ningen nante taishita mon ja nai sa
Ashita nante mou iranai kara
Nigitta kobushi wo kakusuna yo
Fuan ni yume wo uri tobasu hodo, mada
Oiborecha inai daro
Shounen yo, kokoro no juu no
Hikigane wo hikeru no wa kimi dake sa
Subete no wakamono wa itta:
"Doushiyou mo naku kudaranai
Kono subarashii sekai ni tatta ima ikiteiru kara"
Subete no wakamono wa itta:
"Subete no hotou to uso wo
Kesshite wasurete shimawanai youni
Subete no wakamono wa itta:
"Shinu ni wa wakasugiru darou
Shiraketa tsura ga naranderu karappo no kono machi de"
Subete no wakamono wa itta:
"Kaze no nai kono yoru ni
Nanika wo kaeyou to shiteru kara"

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Fri May 02, 2008 4:17 pm

LOL, you were taling about Donnys weapon and now your are singing japanese songs Laughing out loud

But still, Donnys Bô is the most traditional weapon of all ninja weapons. The first Ninja(s) existing only used the Bô staff.
It makes less damage than a sword or nunchuck, but nothing than a devensive weapon would fit my Donny Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Fri May 02, 2008 4:23 pm

Oops, sorry :oops: He just started talking about Japan and I was starting signing... LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Sat May 03, 2008 12:53 pm

Raph95 wrote:
I know that Donatello could defend himself for a bit, but after Foot got swords, do you really think that he could avoid all the attacks?


Hmm, I thought that Bô- staff is kind of adaptable... Well, at least I've read that some ninja weapons, which reminds of Bô staff, are... :shock:
So if this is true, Bô staff would receive the sword easily, and still wouldn't broke, I think? Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Sat May 03, 2008 3:04 pm

Hmm... Suifox, you are a bit right. All time I was thinking that bo staff is smaller than size of human... Much smaller, like 145 cm or something... So I went to Wikipedia and I've found this article:

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A (棒: ぼう) or kon, is a long staff, usually made of tapered hard wood, for example white oak, bamboo
and in some cases for training purposes, rotan. Sometimes it is made of
metal or plated with metal for extra strength; also, a full-size is sometimes called a rokushakubō (六尺棒: ろくしゃくぼう). This name derives from the Japanese words roku (六: ろく), meaning "six"; shaku (尺: しゃく); a Japanese measurement equivalent to 30.3 centimeters (0.994 foot); and . Thus, rokushakubō refers to a staff about 6-shaku (1.82 m; 5.96 feet) long. The
is typically 3 cm (1.2 inch) thick , sometimes gradually tapering from
the middle to 2 cm (0.8 inch)at both ends. This thickness allows the
user to make a tight fist around it in order to block and counter an
attack. The most common shape, maru-bo, is a round staff, while kaku-bo
(four-sided staff), rokkaku-bo (six-sided staff), hakkaku-bo
(eight-sided staff) also exist. Other types of range from heavy to light, from rigid to highly flexible, and from simply a piece of wood picked up off the side of the road to ornately decorated works of art.
The Japanese martial art of wielding the is bōjutsu. The basis of bo technique is te,
or hand, techniques derived from kung fu and other martial arts that
reached Okinawa via trade and Chinese monks. Thrusting, swinging, and
striking techniques often resemble empty-hand movements, following the
philosophy that the is merely an "extension of one’s limbs". As in Okinawa-te, attacks are often avoided by agile footwork and returning strikes made at the enemy’s weak points.
The is typically gripped in thirds, and when held
horizontally in front, the right palm is facing away from the body and
the left hand is facing the body, enabling the to rotate. The power is generated by the back hand pulling the , while the front hand is used for guidance. When striking, the wrist is twisted, as if turning the hand over when punching. technique includes a wide variety of blocks, strikes, sweeps, and entrapments. The may even be used to sweep sand into an opponent’s eyes.
The earliest form of the , a staff, has been used throughout Asia since the beginning of recorded history. [4]
Used for self defense by monks or commoners, the staff was an integral
part of the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu, one of the martial arts’
oldest surviving styles. The staff evolved into the with the foundation of kobudo, a martial art using weapons, which emerged in Okinawa in the early 1600s.
Prior to the 1400s, Okinawa,
a small island located south of Japan, was divided into three kingdoms:
Chuzan, Hokuzan, and Nanzan. After much political turmoil, Okinawa was
united under the Sho Dynasty in 1429. In 1477, Emperor Sho Shin of the
second Sho dynasty came into power. Determined to enforce his
philosophical and ethical ideas, while banning feudalism, the emperor
instituted a ban on weapons. It became a crime to carry or own weapons
such as swords, in an attempt to prevent further turmoil and prevent
uprising. [4]
In 1609, the temporary peace established by Sho Shin was violently
overthrown when the powerful Satsuma Clan invaded Okinawa. Composed of
Japanese samurai, the Satsuma Clan took over the island, making
Okinawan independence a thing of the past. The Satsuma placed a new
weapons ban on the people of Okinawa, leaving them defenseless against
the steel of the samurai’s swords. In an effort attempt to protect
themselves from the devastating forces of the Satsuma, the people of
Okinawa looked to simple farming implements, which the samurai would
not be able to confiscate, as new methods of defense. This use of
weapons developed into kobudo, or "ancient martial art," as we know it today. [4]
Although the is now used as a weapon, its use is believed by some to have evolved from non-combative uses[citation needed]. The -staff
is thought to have been used to balance buckets or baskets. Typically,
one would carry baskets of harvested crops or buckets of water or milk
or fish, one at each end of the , that is balanced across the middle of the back at the shoulder blades. In poorer agrarian economies, the remains a traditional farm work implement.[citation needed] In styles such as Yamanni-ryū or Kenshin-ryū, many of the strikes are the same as those used for yari ("spear") or naginata ("glaive").[citation needed] There are stick fighting techniques native to just about every country on every continent.[citation needed]

Popular Culture

  • Donatello of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles uses a bō as his primary weapon of choice.
  • Zhou Yu from the Koei videogame Dynasty Warriors 6 wields a bo staff as his primary weapon.
  • In the movie "Napoleon Dynamite",
    the lead character explains to his friend that one of the local school
    gangs wanted him to join them for his alleged bō staff skills.
  • Kilik from the videogames Soul Calibur and its sequels, also uses a bō. He has several, such as the "Kunlun Bamboo" or the "Kali-Yuga".
  • Gambit (comics) of X-men fame uses a bō staff, along with card throwing, as his primary weapons.
  • Goku (Dragonball) uses it as his primary weapon. It is passed down to Gohan in Dragonball Z
  • Robin uses an extendable metal bō as one of his weapons.
  • Lily, from Power Rangers: Jungle Fury, uses the Jungle Bō as her main weapon.
  • Neo, from The Matrix Reloaded, pulls a metal post from the pavement and handles it as a bō.

Take a look at the red part Anime smile'
There was this picture inside of the article, and here it is:





And don't worry, Ayro, there'll be no more Japanese songs Razz


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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Mon May 05, 2008 5:27 pm

:lol!:

Thanks Lazar^^
Ans alos for teh article, I've read that wiki some months ago. I think, it discriped everything.
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PostSubject: Re: Donatello's weapon   Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:02 pm

hey mikey you are the brain of this lair,so go on computer and complete a new alarm
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